1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,120 We are now at the halfway point of the series, 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,360 and boy, oh, boy, is there a lot to unpack. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,720 And you know the drill by now - it's spoiler warning time. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,600 If you haven't watched episode six, do that right this second. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,680 I mean it! 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Then you can come back here. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,280 OK, spoilers are happening...now. 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Coming up, we have the exclusive moment Livi and Dan met 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,000 to find out the identity of the Traitors. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,440 They'll both be here later 12 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,000 to discuss their time as Faithfuls in the game. 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Plus, to dissect the latest episode, 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,800 I'm joined by comedians Tom Allen, Sophie Willan, 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,920 and Series Two Traitor Paul. 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,160 Tom, Sophie, Paul, thank you so much for joining us on Uncloaked. 18 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:47,840 Thanks for having us. It's good to be here, yeah. 19 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Thank you. Lovely to have you. Thank you. 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,880 Now, I want immediate first reactions to that episode. 21 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Paul, how are you feeling after that, that mad episode? 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,040 It's just insane, isn't it? 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,480 We're two seasons in, so you would think that you would kind of learn 24 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,360 patterns and behaviours and stuff, and it's just...it's the same. 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,840 People are just losing their minds. Yeah. It's amazing. 26 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,000 It's beautiful to watch. 27 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,400 I love Linda. 28 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Yes. Well, we love Linda. I'm just a big fan of her. 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,120 Yeah, we love Linda here, as well. Yeah. 30 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,960 It's just like watching an owl, in't it? 31 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:16,200 She looks very like an owl. THEY LAUGH 32 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,240 Yeah. 33 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,880 We've not said that on Uncloaked, actually, 34 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,720 that it's like watching an owl. Constantly going... 35 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,960 There's nothing subtle, is there? 36 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,520 Mm. Casual. I think it's very casual. Yeah. At some points, 37 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,320 I have wondered if she actually knows what show she's on. Yes. 38 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:31,720 I think at one point she was looking 39 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,760 for Lord Sugar in the boardroom, 40 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,560 I think she saw Claudia and thought she should do a paso doble. 41 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,080 But it doesn't matter, does it? 42 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Cos she's a wonderful character 43 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,520 and I just want her to stay in all the way to the end. 44 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Look, we've got loads to talk about... 45 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Yeah, but is it Linda or not, Ed? Yeah, yeah. 46 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,920 Cos I'm really here for the Linda chat. 47 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Can we stay on Linda? Maybe 10 more minutes. 48 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Maybe 10 to 20 more minutes. I've got other things written down here. 49 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,120 The Ceremony Of Truth mission 50 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,840 and all the drama that came from that, of course. 51 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,200 The Traitors' secret task - which, don't worry, involved Linda. 52 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,560 Yeah, yeah. Thank goodness. 53 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,920 But first, we do have to talk about the Deathmatch card game. 54 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,880 Ooh, that was a good one. That's how the episode closed. Yep. 55 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,040 That was camp, wasn't it? But a brutal game. 56 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,960 The idea of leaving the castle at midnight, 57 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,640 getting in the car and being driven somewhere else. Yeah. 58 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:10,840 What must they have been thinking? 59 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Quite frightening, actually. Yeah. Going over that bridge. 60 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Yeah. You could have been thinking, "What's happening here? Am I...?" 61 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,520 Yeah. Yeah. "I've been kidnapped." 62 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,800 "I'm being kidnapped by the driver." Actually murdered. Actually. 63 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,920 Yeah, you never know. 64 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,720 Although Alexander was quite relaxed in a way 65 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 that a man who's been involved in conflict resolution would be. Yeah. 66 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,640 Right? Yes. I love him. Just being driven somewhere 67 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,680 going, "Oh, dear, this doesn't look good." Yeah. Yeah. 68 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,800 "This-this is happening again." 69 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Yeah. So we got down to Leon and Fozia 70 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,680 are the two remaining players in the Deathmatch. So exciting! 71 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Who do we think the Traitors are hoping for, 72 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,400 to lose the game, to murder? 73 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,720 Yeah, cos it's the chance, isn't it? 74 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,360 Because obviously Linda wants Fozia gone. Yes. 75 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,480 They should have killed her at the first given opportunity, 76 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,840 as soon as you come into the show. 77 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,920 Ooh! From a former Traitor's perspective. Yes. 78 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:53,760 No-one would question it. Cos she's sharp, 79 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,360 she knows what's going on - and she's on Linda's tail. 80 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,920 Yeah. Yeah. So... But now it's down to chance. 81 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,960 Leon's a lovely fella. I think, you know, 82 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,400 putting them two in there is quite wise, I think, 83 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,160 but if Fozia does go, all eyes kind of will go to Linda. Yeah. 84 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Sophie, who do you think the biggest loss would be 85 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,040 to the Faithful out of Leon and Fozia? 86 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,160 Oh... 87 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,240 Er... Ooh! 88 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,920 I think Leon. Yeah. 89 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:19,680 Cos he's quite a loyal lad, in't he? He's got a good energy. 90 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,040 Yeah. And he's... Obviously, you can read his face very well, 91 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,160 cos he hides nothing. Yeah! So, that's quite helpful, in't it? 92 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,760 Yeah, that's true, actually. Mm. 93 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,520 Of course, the Deathmatch was a result 94 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,960 of the Traitors' secret mission. 95 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Let's remind ourselves when they had to find the peacock quill. 96 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,160 You all right, Linda? 97 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Yeah. 98 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,040 QUIETLY: Have you got the quill? 99 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,840 No. Looked for it and I can't... 100 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,080 I've looked around, I can't see it. 101 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,520 These two! I feel, like, drained. 102 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,960 Somebody's coming. 103 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,200 We are literally 104 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,960 the worst ever players 105 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,520 in the history of this game. 106 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,080 Not coming yet. 107 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Look for it and I'll tell you if somebody's coming. 108 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,040 She's so good! 109 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,840 This is it! I'll sit here. 110 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,280 Aah! It's there. 111 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,920 Oh! There we are. 112 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,440 I mean, wonderful, wonderful slapstick stuff. 113 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,960 A total farce. 114 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,360 "I'll tell you if they're coming!" 115 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,320 She got the better role, didn't she? 116 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,320 She did that well, Minah. Yeah, she did. She could be... 117 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,680 I mean, there was a moment later 118 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,400 when Linda was writing the names down, 119 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,880 when Minah says, "If someone's coming, I'll just cough loads." 120 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,360 Yeah! Yes, I loved that! 121 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,280 That didn't work for Charles Ingram. I don't think... 122 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:25,600 Good reference, Ed! 123 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,240 Very niche. Very up-to-date. 124 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,240 I love this podcast for this nicheness. 125 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,040 You can do that on a podcast! I love it. 126 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,400 Paul, obviously, in the last series, 127 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,400 you were part of the Fizzy Rose Mission. Yes. 128 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,800 You had to find the poisoned chalice... 129 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Yeah, stressful. ..and give it to someone. 130 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,160 Stressful... Yeah. ..took a long time. 131 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,480 Took us a long time. Yeah. 132 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,280 So what do you make of this year's? I thought it was amazing. 133 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:47,160 I didn't know how they were going to top... 134 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Because, obviously, when you kind of see the... 135 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,920 ..like, the pre-announcement, that there's going to be something, 136 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,280 I was thinking, "Well, they're not... 137 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:54,840 "They can't really do another chalice again, 138 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,160 "it can't really be a poison again, so what are they going to do?" 139 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,960 So, yeah, so I thought maybe it's like a hug 140 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,120 or it's a tap or something - 141 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,760 but, yeah, to write a name - four names - was just, um... 142 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Yeah, that was lovely. I would have loved to go with that. 143 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,360 But we wouldn't be able to find a pen. 144 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,920 No, I mean, you guys struggled to find 145 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,560 the complete works of Shakespeare, was it, on the, on the shelves? 146 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Well, he's kind of a niche writer, isn't he? 147 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Again, talking about niche stuff... So niche! 148 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Macbeth, Macbath, whatever it was called. Yeah! 149 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,880 I'd have to tell Harry what a quill was first. 150 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,080 Now, the secret mission wasn't the only brutal thing 151 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,920 to happen in this episode. 152 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,800 The Ceremony Of Truth - also particularly savage. 153 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Oh, yeah! Already knew it was going to be a good one, 154 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,000 because Claudia was sat on the shoulders of two massive men. 155 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,760 What a start. Yeah. Two absolute giants. 156 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Paul, you weren't one of those men, were you? 157 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 It was me and Tyler. Yeah! 158 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,440 THEY LAUGH 159 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Was this the most savage mission yet, do you think? 160 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:48,920 Well, I thought it was... I think the masks are camp, 161 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,160 I think capes are camp... Yeah. 162 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,120 ..and I think that throwing shields into a fire is very camp. 163 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Yeah! So I would say it wasn't terrifying. Yeah. 164 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,280 I think the whole thing of, like, "Is it correct? Is it not correct?" 165 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,840 all that, that's fine, that's fine, but I think the real gameplay 166 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,000 obviously is when we got... when we got back to the castle 167 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 and everybody's like, "Well, was it you or not?" 168 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,720 and they're like, "No, it wasn't. 169 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,000 "It was me. It was me." 170 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,920 And I thought that Dan unfortunately made a mistake 171 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,840 by not owning up to it straight away. 172 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,640 Well, I get the tactic of picking people 173 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,000 who would not think it was you, 174 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,560 cos the whole plan is to get a Shield. 175 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,040 You don't want people to pick you out as the person 176 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,280 who poured the Bovril over the top of you. 177 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,400 Mm. So I understood that, 178 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,440 and then the option was there to not tell people. Yeah. Yeah. 179 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,560 But you think Dan should have been open and honest...? 180 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,920 Well, I think once one person started telling the truth 181 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,360 about who'd done what, I think you may as well all do it, 182 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,240 because otherwise you're going to look like a liar. 183 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,960 But I would never have kicked him out, 184 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,680 because he hid that he wanted the Shield, 185 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,800 so he's clearly not a Traitor. Yeah, exactly. 186 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,520 That's a valid point. If he was a Traitor, he'd have gone, 187 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,520 "I wanted the Shield, and it was me." 188 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,280 Yeah. He would have... 189 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,240 Or he wouldn't have even fought for it at all. 190 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Now, another huge thing that happened in this episode 191 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,240 was Anna deciding to reveal at the Round Table 192 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,160 that the Traitors tried to recruit her. 193 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,360 She's going to get murdered soon. 194 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,040 Let's just get it over with. Cos is that a mistake? 195 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,480 Do we think that's going to happen? Because... Big mistake. Yeah, yeah. 196 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,920 She should have revealed it straight afterwards, do you think, Paul? 197 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Straight after, yeah. Yeah. There and then, at breakfast. 198 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,640 "Listen, guys, I'm going to put my hands up, 199 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,320 "even though there's going to be suspicion on me, 200 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,520 "they tried to recruit me." Yeah. 201 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,640 I think if I was her and I got that letter, 202 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,240 I'd be like, "Oh, they've said independent woman." 203 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,320 Now, the only people who celebrate that are girls and gays. 204 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Yeah, I would have... I would have written that. 205 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,720 You would've written that to me, wouldn't you? Mm. I did, actually. 206 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,160 I feel like this is, like, females empower language, in't it? 207 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Yeah. You know? Yeah, I think... 208 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,400 So I'd have gone, "Right, it is a female, 209 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,280 "cos someone has said strong female." 210 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,480 Elen said that earlier on. Yeah. 211 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Yeah, that's-that's really interesting, 212 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,000 to read into that phraseology. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. 213 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,520 But, yeah, she's-she's not worked that out yet. 214 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Paul, how difficult is the decision of recruitment? 215 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Do you have to think about every eventuality for the player you pick? 216 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Yeah, and it's-it's already happened, 217 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,920 like, you've got to think of the people that will say no. 218 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,480 So, like, Diane was one of them. 219 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,840 Could we recruit Diane? 220 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,080 She'll say no. 221 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Zack was another one, cos he's a very bright boy, 222 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,800 very similar to Dan. He'll say no. 223 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,440 So you've got to pick someone 224 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,000 where you definitely think they will say yes, 225 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,480 and then our thinking was we need a patsy, 226 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,720 so, for example, we brought Andrew in because we... Sorry, 227 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,680 for a moment there I thought there was someone called Patsy, 228 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,080 and I was like... Yeah! 229 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,520 ..I know there's a lot of people in it, but who was that?! 230 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Sorry, Paul. 231 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,320 Because you selected Andrew... I selected Andrew. Yeah. 232 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,600 ..and the first thing that happened 233 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,880 was Andrew took his hood off and went, 234 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,480 "You're going to throw me under the bus, here." 235 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,520 Yeah. Exactly right, yeah. He knew, didn't he? Very awkward. 236 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,800 That was quite smart. He knew. Yeah. 237 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,840 Well, don't worry, guys, it's time for more Linda chat. 238 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,120 Ooh! I don't think I've got anything left to say 239 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 about the poor woman, really! Well, let's... 240 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Let's have a look at this clip of Linda after Livi was murdered. 241 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,680 Oh, God. She's my little girl. 242 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,400 Oh... 243 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,680 She knew, though, didn't she? 244 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,040 Why is Linda crying? 245 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,400 You OK? 246 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,520 SHE SNIFFLES 247 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,760 Yes, Fozia! 248 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Everyone's staring at her. 249 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,520 Just rein it in! Rein it in! Yeah. 250 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Oh! Stop it, Linda, you'll set me off! Yeah, bless her. 251 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,480 That was... 252 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 MOCK SOBBING: "She was like a daughter to me!" 253 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,400 Yeah, it's too much. That was an amazing moment, 254 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,240 because she even says, in the Turret, to Minah, 255 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,080 "Oh, I'll probably I'll get a bit emotional 256 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,600 "because we were very close, me and Livi," 257 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,920 and then cut to her saying, "She was like my little girl," 258 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,600 and immediately everyone going, "Why's Linda crying?" 259 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,080 Yeah! Yeah! "What's going on there?" 260 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,000 I like that Jake... She didn't speak to her, did she? 261 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,640 ..has just got a whole campaign against Linda, hasn't he? Yeah. 262 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Yeah. He's like Linda's detective. But he's right...he's right to - 263 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,440 at the moment, it's an unsuccessful campaign, but... 264 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,040 But this is the thing where, like, Jaz had it, and Maddy had it - 265 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,320 it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. 266 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Mm. So, like, it doesn't matter if he thinks it, 267 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,280 he needs more than half of the group to vote it. Yeah. Yeah. 268 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,200 So, as long as they aren't doing that, then leave him in the game. 269 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Mm. So, yeah, it's really... It's barmy that she's still here. 270 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Yeah. You say barmy, I say... fabulous! 271 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Highly watchable. 272 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,320 The thing is, with Linda and that that performance, 273 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,680 I feel like every time Linda does something, 274 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,040 I'm like, "Linda, come on, this is not good," 275 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,840 but it's working. It works. She's still...she's still in there. 276 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,720 Yeah. People... I think, now, people seem to be like, 277 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,840 "That's a bit suspicious," 278 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,040 but I think a lot of people are going, "That's just Linda." 279 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,440 Yeah. Yes! You've got... They're getting used to her. 280 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,440 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I was kind of similar. 281 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Like, when I watched it back, it's so obvious that it's me. 282 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,880 I'm screaming at the telly, "You've got to go and find him." 283 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,840 You have got a bit more insight, though, I think, now. 284 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,440 Yeah. Maybe so. Yeah... 285 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Well, Livi and Dan will be with us shortly 286 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,840 to answer all of our pressing questions, 287 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,000 but first it's time for an exclusive look 288 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,880 at the pair meeting the day after they left the castle 289 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,720 to find out who the Traitors are. 290 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Oh! Oh, my God! Hello! 291 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,680 Come here. 292 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,480 Good to see you. Oh, my God, and you! 293 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,720 Oh, my God. Yes. 294 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,000 What the hell happened yesterday morning? 295 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,200 To be honest, I think most people, myself included, 296 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,120 weren't surprised that you were gone. Yeah. 297 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Cos I think you were such an obvious Faithful. Aww. 298 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,280 Particularly after, you know, how you reacted when Tyler went. 299 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,400 Yeah. So why do you think you got murdered? 300 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,200 I feel like I could have potentially been a threat to the Traitors. 301 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,920 I feel that's why. Mm-hm. 302 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Right. I'm desperate to know! 303 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,200 Are you a Faithful or a Traitor? 304 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,360 What do you think? 305 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,000 I feel like you're a Faithful. 306 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,560 I am a... 307 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,320 ..Faithful. 308 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,880 I'm happy about that, though! Yeah. I'm happy. You got it right. 309 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,200 Oh, my goodness. 310 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Well, at least you didn't kill me! I know, I know. 311 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,360 How many Traitors do you think are in the game still? 312 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,160 My gut is that they started with three, lost one with Armani, 313 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,840 tried to seduce, that didn't work. 314 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,720 I'm going to say three that are still left in. 315 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,920 What do you think? 316 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,360 I have a feeling four. 317 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Who are those four Traitors? 318 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,440 Freddie. 319 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,200 I think Linda. 320 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,960 I think Leon's been summoned. 321 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:57,320 And then it's like a maybe between Leanne or Frankie...or Minah. 322 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,800 I'm all over the place! 323 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,720 But who do you think? 324 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,000 So I think there's three. 325 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,560 I think Alex. 326 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:04,920 I think maybe Minah. 327 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,360 And then I just think maybe, like a left-field pick, like Joe. 328 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,400 I don't know, like, I just think that Joe 329 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,360 would be a perfect recruitment pick. 330 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Are you ready to find out who the Traitors are? 331 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,240 I'm not sure, but let's do it. 332 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Linda! 333 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,280 I knew it! 334 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,840 Crafty little lady. 335 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,320 You're right. Linda. 336 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,480 Bloody Linda! 337 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Jake, as well, suspected. Jake was right from the beginning. 338 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,160 He must be Faithful. 339 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,120 Oh, my God, I literally said - she was next to me, 340 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,320 I was like, "She's looking sweaty and she's looking..." 341 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,480 Oh, wow. "..like she's just been picked." 342 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Are you ready to find out who the next Traitor is? 343 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,880 Let's do it. 344 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,560 Oh, my God! 345 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,000 Who's that? Minah! 346 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,360 There's only two?! There's only two. 347 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Freddie's not a Traitor. 348 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Oh, Minah. Minah! 349 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,320 The crafty little... 350 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,080 Oh, my gosh! You know what? 351 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,920 I do not feel bad now for dunking her in molasses. 352 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,160 I just can't wait to see Freddie 353 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,920 and just bloody give him the biggest hug. 354 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,320 But I really hope him and Anna win. 355 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,800 And Dan and Livi are with us now! 356 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,240 THEY CHEER 357 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Welcome. Thank you. Welcome. 358 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Now, we saw you find out who the Traitors were in that clip. 359 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Dan, you seem very surprised about Linda. I was. 360 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,280 Now, this is interesting, because from a viewer's perspective, 361 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,840 no-one should be surprised that Linda was... 362 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,200 The thing for me was that, at that very first Round Table, 363 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,400 Armani said, "I wonder if there's an older woman..." Yes. 364 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,480 "..Traitor," and then when she was revealed to be a Traitor, 365 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,840 I was like, "Well, it can't be Linda now, 366 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,800 "you wouldn't throw heat on another Traitor..." 367 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,520 No. "..that fast." No, no, no. Unless you were Armani. 368 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Yeah, unless you're Armani! Yeah! 369 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,600 But, yeah, the head turn from Linda, 370 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,280 which I think so far is the only evidence that anyone has, 371 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,640 seems-seems to have been ignored. 372 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,480 She fooled me. Yeah, she fooled you. 373 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,880 Did you ever think it was potentially her? 374 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,600 I'm quite rigid in my thinking at times, 375 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,880 so as soon as that happened at that first Round Table, 376 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,960 that cleared Linda for the whole time for me. 377 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Oh, wow, yeah. So I didn't even look at her again. 378 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,520 Plus, she and she and I were sat next to each other 379 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,640 and we had that little sitting-next-to-each-other alliance 380 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,880 the whole time. So, I don't know if you felt the same, Paul, 381 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,680 but sometimes you just don't want to go for the people 382 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:18,960 who are sat next to you, as well, 383 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,640 you've got, like, a natural affinity for them. 384 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,480 I killed Kyra that was sat to the left of me, 385 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,840 but... I see. ..I'm sure normal people would feel like that. 386 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,640 Yeah. Faithfuls. 387 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,720 You suspected Linda, possibly, didn't you, Livi? I did, yeah. Yeah. 388 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,840 So I had a game plan, and I always wanted to be a Faithful, 389 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,000 and I always imagined making friends with one of the Traitors 390 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,240 who I suspected, because then I thought 391 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,000 maybe I'm then a little bit safe from murder. Mm-hm. 392 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,480 And because Linda was next to me, and we kind of did... 393 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,400 I mean, we did grow a little bit of a bond, 394 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,560 she was... Like, when I was upset, she would console me 395 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,480 and things like that, so I was like, "Do you know what? 396 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,920 "She's the Traitor I'm going to try and be friends with," 397 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,040 so I wasn't shocked by that. Wasn't shocked. 398 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,880 Did you grow enough of a bond, would you say, 399 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,920 for her to break down and say, "She was my little girl," at breakfast? 400 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,880 You lost your mum at this point! 401 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,080 I know, I know, I know! 402 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,160 I was shocked at that. 403 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Um, but that wasn't... 404 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,800 That doesn't mean we didn't have, like, a relationship in there. 405 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,480 We did, but I wasn't... We saw you, like, 406 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,880 you were being comforted by her in the corridor... 407 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,480 Yeah, by the cheeky Traitor. Yeah. Yeah, but she, um... 408 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,960 "Cheeky Traitor"! 409 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,000 She...but I... 410 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,400 Yeah, like, I mean, we were close, 411 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,760 but not as close as, like, me and Tyler, me and Leanne - 412 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,840 like, we didn't have that kind of relationship. 413 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,120 So to see her break down like that, 414 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,240 I was a bit like, "Oh, my gosh, Linda!" 415 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,720 She went for it. Yeah, she's great. She is good. 416 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,320 Obviously, Minah is the other Traitor. 417 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Dan, you were very close to Minah. 418 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,600 I was. We saw we saw a lot of chat 419 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,680 about you saying, "The Traitor could be someone close to me. 420 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,440 "I'm really getting on with Minah," 421 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,600 but not necessarily linking the two things. 422 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,720 I know. Those last couple of days I was in there, 423 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,880 I started to slowly put the pieces together, 424 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,360 and I was like, "It's got to be somebody I'm close to," 425 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,120 and the people I was closest to were Minah and Alex at that point, 426 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,280 but I'd burnt my bridges with a few other people 427 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,600 that I could have gone against them, like Anna. 428 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,360 So, er, yeah, I did feel a bit helpless that last day. 429 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Do you think if you stayed in there, you would have got to Minah? 430 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,080 I mean, I was going at everybody so hard, 431 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,760 like, boomeranging around the cast. Yeah, yeah. 432 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,120 I would have found her eventually. 433 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,840 Now, Livi, we also saw your reaction 434 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,800 to finding out that Freddie wasn't a Traitor. 435 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,440 I know, honestly, I still can't get over it now. 436 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 It's awful. Yeah! It's awful. I was gunning for him. 437 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Like, I feel terrible. I need to give him a massive hug and just... 438 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,560 Look, you weren't the only one. Yeah. 439 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,240 We've been having a lot of chats on Uncloaked 440 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,800 with players who've come out, even before opening the thing, 441 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,200 and gone, "It's definitely Freddie. Freddie's killed me." 442 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,680 Oh! It's not. Why were you so set on Freddie? 443 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,960 I mean, Maia, as soon as she came running in, 444 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,120 I was like, "Right, it's deffo got to be him," 445 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,440 but it was more him kind of looking at me... 446 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Like, he would look at me and then be like... 447 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,680 ..and then look away. 448 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 He would just give me the side eye all the time, 449 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,840 and he did actually say to me, 450 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,360 "Liv, it's cos you were literally suspecting me the whole time." Yeah. 451 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,480 So he would look at me to see if I was looking at him, 452 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,720 and then as soon as I was, he would look away. Right, right. 453 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,640 Um, and just what he said to Maia, and just kind of... I don't know, 454 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,720 I guess he gave me, like, Harry vibes 455 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,680 where I was just a bit like, "It could be him." Ah! Yeah. 456 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,680 Um, although that would probably be, like, too obvious. 457 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,480 So, like, now I look back, I'm like, "Why was I gunning for him so much?" 458 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,680 And I picked the wrong... the wrong person. 459 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,680 I should have just gone for Linda. 460 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,360 Yeah. Well, thank God you didn't. 461 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:30,080 That little clash that you had with Freddie to do with the clique. 462 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Oh, I know, God. He suggested you were in the clique 463 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,400 with the rest of those guys, 464 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,760 and there was that slightly fraught argument. 465 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,080 How does that feel in that moment? Couldn't deal with that, could I? 466 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,440 As soon as I heard "clique", 467 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,040 I was like, "Right, who do you think you are?" 468 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,440 I was like, "There's no clique here!" 469 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,680 I didn't think cliques were, like, a bad thing. 470 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,680 I just felt like he was kind of isolating us 471 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,440 where it was, like, almost like we don't talk to anybody else 472 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 or we're not friendly with everybody else, 473 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,000 and, like, I talked to a lot of people - 474 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,160 like, me and Anna had a really good relationship, 475 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,000 me and Linda had a good relationship. 476 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,960 Of course, the greatest. Like, there was a lot of relationships in there. 477 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,760 We just kind of gelled a little bit more, 478 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,200 and that's not because we're a clique, 479 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,760 it's just because we had the same suspicions. 480 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,440 Yeah. Yes. Well, I thought we did, 481 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,960 until they absolutely blindsided me at the table. 482 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,840 But we did have the same suspicions. 483 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,080 So, it, like, worked well that we kind of like... 484 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,480 ..we were just together a lot 485 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,800 because we would be talking about who we thought the Traitors were. 486 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,640 Um, so, yeah, I think, "clique", 487 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,120 I was like, "Right, let's just settle this." 488 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,440 Someone you weren't certain was a Traitor, Livi, 489 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,160 was, of course, Tyler. And if you can bear it, 490 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,880 let's check out your reaction after he was banished. 491 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,000 No-one's listening to me. 492 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,240 I've literally got to get out of here for a second. 493 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,080 I'm, like, gagged. 494 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,560 How did we get that so wrong? 495 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,280 I think that was... that was a real moment... 496 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Yeah. ..because you were so sure Tyler wasn't a Traitor... Mm-hm. 497 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,320 ..and the rest of the... the "clique", sorry - 498 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,720 um, they all went for him, 499 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 and I think that was the moment you were cemented as a Faithful... Yeah. 500 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,720 ..I don't know if you'd agree with that, Dan, in that room. 501 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I never had any doubts about you 502 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,800 the whole time... Yeah, yeah. ..but you were just so convinced... 503 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,720 Yeah. ..he was a Faithful that that just reinforced it for me. 504 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,480 It was... It's sad to watch back, because it was just so intense, 505 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,000 and I felt like if they had just pulled me aside 506 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,400 and said, like, "Liv, like, we're going to go for Tyler tonight, 507 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,560 "like, what do you think?" 508 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,360 and, like, gave me a chance to kind of like, I don't know, 509 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,480 like, back him a little bit, because I spent a lot of time with him, 510 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,920 so it's frustrating - although I got it so wrong with Freddie, 511 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,200 I just felt like no-one was listening 512 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,760 and no-one was kind of getting it. But then that is the game. 513 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Having met him now, I just think, how could anyone think 514 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,000 he could do anything bad ever in his life?! 515 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,840 I know, and this is what I thought! 516 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,920 We all thought that about Harry, though, didn't we? Yeah. 517 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Dan, obviously, coming under scrutiny 518 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,280 at the Round Table like that, 519 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,040 what's that feeling like when it's building against you? 520 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,120 I mean, similar to Tyler, 521 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,360 I wasn't really expecting to get heat at that Round Table, 522 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,600 cos I hadn't heard anything from anybody that day. 523 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,600 I think everything was happening behind the scenes. 524 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,200 In the build-up to that, this is what's really interesting, 525 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,320 is they said, you don't have to tell everyone. 526 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,600 That was part of the game. Mm-hm. And then you didn't do that. 527 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,680 And I think initially people didn't really have a problem 528 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,920 with someone not saying it... 529 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,720 Yeah. ..but as soon as you get to the Round Table, 530 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,800 everything gets blown out of proportion, doesn't it? 531 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,240 It does, and I think Alexander 532 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,200 sounded like he was about to stitch me up, as well, in that moment. 533 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,240 You jumped in, you jumped in quick. I was like, "You know what? 534 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,800 "Forget this. I can't be arsed any more. 535 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,080 "I'm just going to tell the truth." 536 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,400 Cos I could just feel the momentum coming my way. 537 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Yeah. I was like, "I'm going to take control of it, 538 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,520 "cos I don't want him to land me in it." 539 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,320 He went full diplomat, as well, cos he was going, 540 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,360 "How valuable would that piece of information be?" 541 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,320 Exactly. So arch, it's brilliant. 542 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,840 It was, actually. So... 543 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,800 But I think the way you played the game, Dan, 544 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,320 I was punching the air with some of the things you said - 545 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,840 just, like, you're the only one honest enough to go, 546 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,680 "Well, we're all in it for ourselves, right?" 547 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,840 Exactly right, yeah. That's the whole point of the game. 548 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Like, everyone else is, you know, playing along 549 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,160 with this weird convention in there 550 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,240 that you have to say, "We're all doing it for the team, 551 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,240 "we're all raising the money, we're all in it together," 552 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,080 and you're the only one early on who just went, 553 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,320 "No, I'm not, I'm... I want to win." 554 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,480 Exactly right. 555 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,400 I think one of the only Faithfuls to get voted out 556 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,520 because they were so selfish, which I'm quite proud of. 557 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,560 But I think that probably comes as a result of my autism diagnosis, 558 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,320 as well, cos I don't typically follow the crowd in a lot of ways. 559 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,440 Yep. I'm not scared to stand on my own and, you know... 560 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,760 Yeah. ..do something a bit different. 561 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,960 So I was quite proud of how that came across. Yeah. Absolutely. 562 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,400 Fabulous, yeah. Yeah, I think it's about time someone said it! 563 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Refreshing, yeah. I really wanted, Dan, 564 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,840 because of your personality, just from watching you, 565 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,680 I really wanted you to get up there and go, "You are all so stupid." 566 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,400 Yeah! "I am so obviously a Faithful," and then storm out. 567 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,840 That's what I was saying in my head. 568 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,240 Well, that is the perfect moment 569 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840 to remind ourselves of Dan's banishment. 570 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,120 Guys, just remember, 571 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,480 we've all only known each other for a couple of weeks, 572 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,200 you know, don't take things too personally. It's just a game. 573 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,800 This has been an absolute pleasure and I've had a fantastic time. 574 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,480 I am... 575 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,600 Go on, Linda! 576 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,240 ..a... 577 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,080 Oh, there's a little glare. 578 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,960 ..Faithful. Oh...! 579 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,520 I love that. Yeah, yeah, that was good. 580 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,440 The way you played that. Knew it. 581 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Oh, no! 582 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,040 I think, so far, you are the person 583 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,680 who's enjoyed being banished the most. 584 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,080 You seem to really relish that moment. 585 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,400 I was like, "Oh, my God, 586 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,880 "thank God I get to get away from this-this lot." 587 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,400 I don't spend a lot of time surrounded by lots of people 588 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,600 in my day-to-day life... Yeah. 589 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,280 ..so it was quite nice to just have that break. 590 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640 Was it quite intense being in that castle altogether all the time? 591 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,680 It's big, innit? 592 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,840 Yeah, cos you're surrounded by people for a lot of hours every day. 593 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,960 So... Yeah. Like, people say, "It's just a game," 594 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,000 but the thing is, you are playing the game, 595 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,600 so you can't just snap out of that, 596 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,440 like, you become this person in this game and it feels real. 597 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,640 Like, you're literally living with these people in this castle, 598 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,520 like, it is actually quite a... It's intense, to say the least. 599 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Yeah. So for people to say, "Oh, it's just a game, like, chill out," 600 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,440 but if you just chill out and do nothing, 601 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,080 like, you're not playing the game. Yeah, yeah. 602 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 So, then, either way, like, you have to be serious. Yeah. 603 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,480 Dan, in hindsight, with the mission, 604 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,320 would you...would you have done that differently? 605 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,880 Would you have admitted straight away about dunking Minah? 606 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,600 I don't think so, cos I wanted to stick to my guns. 607 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,720 I wanted to prove a point. 608 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Yeah. Well, not... Prove a point that, you know, 609 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,600 you should be able to play this game however you want, 610 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,960 and you shouldn't be dictated to by what other people say to you, 611 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,480 like, "We have to tell each other" - I found that really self-righteous. 612 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,520 Also, the whole point was lying in that mission, 613 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,120 cos you wanted to get the Shield. Yeah. Yeah. 614 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,400 So, when Minah asked you and Leanne, "Did you do that?" 615 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,160 of course you're going to say no. Yeah. 616 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,840 And I just saw so many benefits of not telling people. 617 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840 Mm-hm. A, regardless of whether they're a Traitor or a Faithful, 618 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,040 you're going to piss them off 619 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,680 if you've admitted that they marked them, 620 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,200 because that can be something they think of down the line. 621 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,520 B, if you've marked a Traitor and they don't know who's marked them, 622 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,400 that's going to make them more paranoid. Yeah. 623 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,480 So you want to cause as much chaos for them as possible 624 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,120 so that they start making mistakes. 625 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,280 So I just saw so many reasons to not do it. 626 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,480 Yeah, yeah. I think you were... I think you were right to do it. 627 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,640 I think the problem is, you're almost, like, too clever 628 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680 for the game's good. Do you know what I mean? 629 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Like, I think there's a lot of people 630 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 that kind of don't think so in-depth... 631 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,560 Mm. ..and they think more of, "Oh, he's told a lie," 632 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,680 or, "They've not told me that they were a bishop. 633 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,600 "So that's very traitorous, isn't it?" 634 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Yeah. Do you see what I mean? Yeah, yeah. 635 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,640 Oh, I wouldn't have any kind of game plan. 636 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,080 I'd just think of it as a lovely, lovely few days out. 637 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,160 Yeah! That's probably the best way, to be honest. 638 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,400 Do you know what I mean? Like, when else would you get to play games, 639 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,360 running around the woods, slag someone off in the other room? 640 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,400 THEY LAUGH 641 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,880 It's a lovely little trip, isn't it? Better than Center Parcs. 642 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,520 But people got targeted on our season 643 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,240 for reading books in the library, didn't they? 644 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,120 Yeah, they did, didn't they? 645 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,920 Yeah, but also, let's not do that in Episode One. 646 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,480 Question for both of you - 647 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,120 day-to-day, how did you approach Traitor hunting? 648 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,200 Did you have, like, specific things that you did every day 649 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,320 to try and spot the Traitors? 650 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,000 Livi, what about you? I don't really know. 651 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,800 Like, cos every day changed. 652 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,120 So you would kind of like... 653 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,080 I'd be there, like, kind of thinking about 654 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,720 who I'm going to try and watch today and things like that, 655 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,920 and then it would change - 656 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,680 you'd get into the castle, someone runs up to you, 657 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,160 and they're like, "I think it's so and so," 658 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,960 and then you're kind of, like, sidetracked, 659 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,400 and then you're... I kind of regret not, like, sticking to my guns, 660 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,520 and you'd kind of, like, flow about with other people 661 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,000 and their suspicions - 662 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,760 but, yeah, it just changed every day. Mm. 663 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,000 Like, it's so hard to stick to what you want to do 664 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,040 cis suddenly someone will do something 665 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080 and it's like, "Actually, I've changed my mind." 666 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,640 Yeah. What about you, Dan? 667 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,360 In terms of Traitor hunting? 668 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,160 I mean, I think I got confused at times between Traitor hunting 669 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800 and just wanting to keep my allies in the game. Yeah. 670 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,640 Um, because, I mean, that's a way to get to the end, as well, isn't it? 671 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,120 You surround yourself with as many people who trust you as possible. 672 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,520 So sometimes I did blur the line a bit, 673 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040 and I think that's when my game started to unravel halfway through, 674 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,920 when I was like, "I should actually be looking for Traitors, as well." 675 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Yeah, you were done by the herd, though, weren't you? 676 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,360 I was. Herd mentality. I think you were done by the herd. 677 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,240 Sometimes if a little bit of evidence crops up 678 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,440 and people, they quickly go, "I could survive another night here, 679 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,480 "actually, I'll just..." 680 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,920 TOM: What are you talking about, Paul? 681 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,280 You were never part of the herd. 682 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,120 PAUL: We helped... He was the herdmaster. 683 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,320 He was the herdmaster, yeah. We steered the herd a little bit. 684 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,160 Yeah, he was the shepherd. Yeah, yeah. Puppet master. 685 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Sheepdog - more like wolf in sheep's clothing. 686 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920 Did you have strategies going into the game? 687 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,560 Before you arrived, Dan, 688 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,240 did you have an idea of what you wanted to do and achieve? 689 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Yeah, I mean, I wanted to play as ruthlessly 690 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,360 and as competitively as possible at all times. 691 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,280 I wanted to make the most of every single opportunity... 692 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,760 Good lad. ..whether that was on a mission 693 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,920 or a strategic opportunity in the castle. 694 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Um, so when that mission came up today, 695 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,360 I was like, "Ooh, this is my chance. 696 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,720 "I'm just going to do whatever I can," 697 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,560 and I knew I was going for Minah straight away. 698 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,960 Yeah. Yeah. I think you were right - 699 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,400 she was the person who would suspect you least. Exactly. Yeah. 700 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,160 I was making combinations of people in my head, 701 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,920 like, if I'm paired with Leanne, I'll go for Minah. 702 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,360 If I'm paired with Linda, I'll go for Lisa. Love that. 703 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,080 What about you, Livi? Did you have a strategy before you started? 704 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,120 Kind of, yeah. 705 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,320 Just to make friends with one of the Traitors and then be myself. 706 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,200 Because I wanted to be Faithful, 707 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,120 I just...I just wanted to be myself. 708 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,760 I thought, "I'm not good at lying. 709 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,360 "Like, there's no point me even trying to overstress myself 710 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,960 "with this whole plan of doing things," 711 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,880 and so that's why I wanted to be Faithful, 712 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,120 so I was like, "I'm just going to be myself." Yeah. 713 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,040 Dan, you were a fantastic Faithful. 714 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,400 Did you enjoy playing the game? Did you enjoy your experience? 715 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,480 Yeah, it was fantastic. It was way out of my comfort zone, 716 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,880 but I played the game the way I wanted to, 717 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,400 and, yeah, it was brilliant. 718 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,560 I think, from our perspective, 719 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,240 it looked within your comfort zone, to be honest. 720 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,440 Yeah, it did. You looked one of the calmest in there. Yeah, yeah. 721 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,280 I think it was being surrounded by people all the time 722 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,040 that was probably the hardest thing for me. 723 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Cos the game elements of things, like that challenge, 724 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,360 I didn't have an issue with at all, and I didn't really feel guilty 725 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,040 at voting people out or, you know, targeting people. 726 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960 But, yeah, just being surrounded by people 727 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,160 and having to, like, do a bit of small talk... Yeah. 728 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,560 ..am, as the day was going on, just... 729 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,760 Oh, you'd be such a good Traitor. 730 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,120 You wouldn't have to spend that much time with the big group like that, 731 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,920 would you, in any normal...? No, not at all. 732 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 So I think that's quite an unusual setting, in't it? Yeah. 733 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,640 There was a brilliant moment with the Funhouse mission 734 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,760 where they said, "That means someone has to go by themselves," 735 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000 and your hand went up straight away. 736 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,840 It was like, "I'm happy to go by myself!" 737 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,440 "Five minutes by myself? Yes!" 738 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,160 It's what I've been craving for the whole time. 739 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160 Really taking your time, going through all the doors, 740 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,680 going, "I don't know which one." 741 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,880 What about you, Livi? Did you enjoy your experience? 742 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Yeah, loved it. 743 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,920 I loved it, and, um, as much as I would change... 744 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,040 ..kind of gunning for Freddie, cos I feel so bad, 745 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Um, like, he's so innocent, but, um... 746 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Yeah, I, you know, I had the best time ever, 747 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,200 and, yeah, I love everyone in there. 748 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,600 Well, we've run out of time here, but that doesn't mean it's all over. 749 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,600 We'll be continuing the chat in our bonus episode of Uncloaked 750 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,320 over on BBC Sounds. 751 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560 You can scan the QR code on your screen right now to listen. 752 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,160 We're going to get more intel on the game from Dan and Livi, 753 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,040 plus we'll be putting their lying skills to the test. 754 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,720 Think of it as a nice way to bridge the gap 755 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440 whilst we wait a few days for Episode Seven. 756 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,520 A huge thanks to Tom, Sophie, Paul, Livi and Dan for joining me! 757 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960 CHEERING 758 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,680 We'll be back next Wednesday after Episode Seven of The Traitors 759 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,960 to discuss the outcome of the Deathmatch and so much more. 760 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,280 I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.